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From: cobra (1 of 16)   11/4/2009 5:26:38 PM
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A neurosurgeon is recommending surgery to me that would consist of a L3/L4 & L4/L5 laminectomy for interbody and pedicle screw instrumentation. He has said that I should still be able to play golf after the recovery period, I am concerned that a fusion at the waist will limit my ability to finish a swing. Anyone have any input?

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From: GaDawg (2 of 16)   11/4/2009 6:21:12 PM
To: cobra In response to Post 1
Don't have any input,but sorry to hear about your situation and hope things work out for you.
Good Luck

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From: joro-39 (3 of 16)   11/6/2009 7:02:44 AM
To: cobra In response to Post 1
"You need back surgery" is way too common cause the Docs that specialize in it need the work. I broke my back and neck in a motorcycle crash in 77 and my surgeon, a Golfer, told me to let it go for a year and rest, I was back hitting balls in 4 months. He said backs have a great response to rest. I did, and sho enough, my back is just fine today. I let it rest, laid in the sun for the heat and did a lot of swimming. My Doc who is a scratch player was right.

I have done some Chiropractic to keep it in line and changed my swing to a bit shorter, but other than that I am fine.

I have seen many people who have had back surgery and ended their Golf and now live in constant problems and pain. You do whatever, I am just stating my experience and others i know, but whatever you do, make sure. Good Luck

Edited 11/6/2009 8:02:00 AM by joro-39

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From: abeallo (4 of 16)   11/6/2009 7:57:34 AM
To: cobra In response to Post 1
Hello Cobra

I would suggest, if you can afford both the time and cost, that you have at least 2 other consultations, with MDs that have strong recommendations from knowledgeable people.

My "spinal stenosis" surgery in 1997, done because I wanted to prevent the problems I saw in my mother, who had "spinal stenosis" led to some, but not all pain elimination, but now I have a signficant scoliosis because in modifying the lamina to allow free nerve access from the spine to the periphery, the lamina collapsed and I am worse off, slightly, than before. I have used a Chiropractor when my pain was signficant post-operatively, but this can be tricky if nerve damage is occuring while pain and function are under control.

I could not properly advise anybody, because each patient and the findings are differernt but the results are both unpredictable (as was mine) and the anatomy and precedures are subtly different.

Generally, as a Physician myself, I would avoid elective surgery without a thorough evaluation unless there was so much pain and or function loss that I literally had no choice, but I would make sure you had a thorough evalulation of ALL NERVE FUNCTION because back disorders knock out subtle areas, like anal sphincter and bladder sphincter and are somewhat silent in symptoms, but with time, these can be significant. Most MDs look for the obvious defects, pain, some major function losses and miss the subtle ones. It is not as rewarding an occupation to be a REALLY GOOD Neurologist, and these findings when documented would lead to careful treatment of these issues before they become beyond treatment.

I think I would go to a recognized center for COMPLETE evaluation and careful planned treatment. Newer treatments do take time to evaluate ALL eventualities and if you are very affected by your back issue, you may have little choice, but make sure all aspects of your current neurological problems are carefully documented. My subtle findings were missed by my surgeon pre-operatively and not found until a later evaluation for a different problem turned them up. The first surgeon was top-notch in the OR but lacking (as I discovered later) in a thorough work-up and for some reason had a problem with post-op physical therapy.

It is a scientific gamble, and I don't think you can do too much pre-op evaluation and unless it's an emergency, I would certainly seek ALL evaluations you can afford in time and money because you will be stuck forever by any significant surgery on your back.

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From: bogeyman38 (5 of 16)   11/6/2009 10:03:03 AM
To: cobra In response to Post 1
Anything is possible after surgery - it depends on the patient. However, with a fusion, it will take time to get range of motion back since the lumbar supports your whole core.
I'm not sure how long you have had back pain. Have you had other opinions? I would get them prior to going into surgery and find a physician who can truly explain the procedure and why it it necessary for your particular condition. You have some decsions to make and this is a major surgery for sure.
Have you had MRI's & discograms?

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From: mek (6 of 16)   11/6/2009 11:44:44 AM
To: cobra In response to Post 1
I herniated L5 disk in 1985 playing tennis and had quite a bit discomfort 3-4 years later. My GP suggested going to a rehabilitative medicine specialist. He said orthopedic or neurosurgeons pretty much used surgical approaches only. I went to the rehab med. Dr. and he sent me for some physical theraphy for some specific strengthening/relief. That worked. Really only had a few minor flair ups over the years. A big key to me is to wear shoes that provide some cushioning. Standing on hard surface tough with lower back problem. Obviously be careful when lifting. P.S. I had some unrelated neurological issue since and the neurologist stated that over time many herniated disks stabilize/repair themselves. If the disk completely blows out surgery only real option, but only buldging conservative approach might work. Like some have posted surgery could make it worse. Good luck.

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From: Doc Holliday (7 of 16)   11/6/2009 12:15:38 PM
To: abeallo In response to Post 4
Thanks, Abeallo, for a post that was so meaningful to me... I have spinal stenosis and have gone through PT, pills, steroid shots into the spine (the second one yesterday), and although I'm hoping the shots will have a positive effect, I'm enevitably looking at having surgery. My condition doesn't give me pain, no real discomfort (pins and needles and numbness in my left thigh). Also, when I stand too long, my thighs (both of them) become quite painful... What you've written if particularly significant to me, and I'm grateful for your professional, as well as your personal opinion as a patient.

Frankly, surgery on my back scares me... and I don't look forward to it. You've given me reason to think a second time about moving forward on it... Thank you.

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From: edgwriting (8 of 16)   11/6/2009 2:10:55 PM
To: cobra In response to Post 1
My problem is one totally deteriorated disk probably from years of basketball and other sports on cement schoolyard floors - with pains so severe (even with a high pain threshhold) I can't move an inch, and the perspiration pouring off my body leaves me sitting in a pool. I get shivers just remembering those instances. One time, standing on a fairway unable to move... they had to send a pickup truck to get me off the course.

Fortunately, these pains haven't appeared for a number of years. Occasionally I get twinges that indicate something is about to happen; I rest, apply heat and stretch, and so far - it's been passing over. But that's my case.

My very personal advice for you, for what it's worth? Get all the opinions you can. Then make a truly educated decision. Remember - surgeons want to operate. It's what they do.

Most of all, trust your gut.

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From: ILL Phivey (9 of 16)   11/6/2009 3:26:48 PM
To: cobra In response to Post 1
They have a new sugery now where they use some steel links instead of a fusion, if you can find anybody that does it yet. Maybe thats only for necks now that I read about it, I had a 3 disk fusion in my neck right before they came out with this new replacment disks

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From: keens157 (10 of 16)   11/6/2009 6:23:23 PM
To: cobra In response to Post 1
I had the same surgery as that but they also fused L5-S1,with instrumentation.I didn't golf for about one year,its been 4 years now since my surgery and I play golf comfortably up to 3 to 4 times a week,sometimes 36 holes a day.I did shorten up my swing and I still tinker with it but I've never played better golf in my life.I have a lot more control of the ball and my short game is great.

I forgot to add that the surgery doesn't restrict my follow through or anything else
Anyway,you will probably feel a lot of stiffness and some pain but I love golf so I stretch a lot and bring my xrays for the money games when they want to know what my handicap is

Edited 11/6/2009 6:25:00 PM by keens157

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